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    Raistlin

    Tree Hugger, Animal Lover

    Saturday, February 2, 2008, 10:42 AM EST [General]

    I have gotten into a few big arguments on one of the pagan forums I joined. And it's always the same jerk, and twice it has led me into a depression. And those two times have always been about animal cruelty.

    The basis for his arguments is insulting me, with "tree hugger" and "animal lover." I hate those terms, because they were labels that were created by jack-asses who have nothing better to do than insult the people who actually have hearts. And brains.

    What I hate the most is that now I've been wondering if there is just something wrong with me, for believing that people are too quick to kill instead of trying to solve their problems, for believing that we don't have to be cruel about how we deal with animals feeding on livestock (his argument was that he was too lazy to spend a few minutes, or even seconds, talking on the phone with wildlife experts who would compensate for lost livestock and take the predators off his hands). His response was that it's quicker to just kill the animal (namely coyotes and wolves).

    So that's it. Instead of "wasting" a few seconds, he prefers to waste a life. A life that could have cubs. A life that could mean something to someone. A life that could be saved, if it got to the right people. Or, at least, a life that could be dealt with in a cruelty-free way.

    And then, he made another thread, saying that nature is a bitch and that nature is trying to kill us. He then proceded to call the majority of pagans "super liberal, vegeterian, PETA loving, tree hugging, super-anything-that-ever-breathed activists."

    He has attacked me and my own opinions on there so many times and I just can't believe that none of the mods have done anything about it, except join him in provoking and attacking me.

    He doesn't accept other peoples' opinions at all, just attacks them. And I normally don't judge people who are online, but let me tell you; someday, I'll be famous for having invented the magical hand that can reach through computer screens and slap people on the other end.

    I asked Achilles, yesterday, if there is something wrong with me, for caring about animals.

    I've tried before to kill an animal, but I couldn't do it. I wanted to understand people, I wanted to understand killing for enjoyment. But I couldn't do it. I tried to be cold and heartless. I tried to enjoy it or at least be able to do it. But I couldn't. And it was a mouse. Just a mouse.

    But was it "just" a mouse? I could tell that it had feelings. It was a living, breathing thing, just like me. It had two eyes, just like me. It had a nose, just like me. It had ears and a mouth, just like me. It had almost everything I had--except that I don't have male parts. xP And, more importantly, it had a heart and a brain (I can't think of any animal that can't live without those!), just like me.

    It doesn't live as long as humans live--in the wild, probably one or two years. Is that the only reason that its life is less than mine, that if I kill it, I should be happy that it is dead and not at least a little thoughtful about it? If I kill it, it doesn't deserve a prayer, it doesn't even deserve a thought, a simple thought?

    There is something wrong with me.

    I have morals. I don't believe in careless killing or causing unecessary pain. Most of all, I have empathy.

    There is something wrong with me. I can't enjoy killing or seeing things suffer. I look at both sides of the war between predators and farmers, instead of just the farmers'. I look for alternate solutions that would work for both sides, instead of just jumping to killing the animals without a second thought.

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    As you will inevitable hear from others, NOTHING IS WRONG WITH YOU, and I hope you were using irony when you wrote it. It is people like you who help and stop cruelty, and don't this person get under your skin and have sway with your self-reflection.

    ~*erin
    February 02, 2008
    01:14 PM EST

    There are a great many different types of folks drawn to forum boards, and not all of them nice, compassionate or even stable - on EITHER side of the topic up for discussion. I myself generally avoid forum boards as a waste of time, I find my own talents are better suited to other purposes where I can make a difference ;) and I have found myself far more peaceful for it. The only one I frequent is www.fatheroak.com - it's an excellent forum where one can actually learn and discuss things intelligently! I myself am a druid, pagan, farmer, hunter and there is much to be said for balance in all things, even in perceived virtue ;). There is nothing wrong with you if you are expressing your opinions respectfully and clearly, with thought in addition to passion for your position. As well however True Compassion has more than one side and while cruelty and needless suffering should be discouraged, there is legitmacy to farming and the hunt and other things that seem cruel. Nature is frequently hard to cope with in some aspects, man has a right to the hunt and predation, within balance and reason, just as any other predator does. But that said, a person should not trample on another person's journey and experience of life and learning. I know I frequently fight to keep hold of my patience with folks who do not understand farming or really, truly living off the land. So I suppose I would say, be aware of the circumstances of the person you are talking to. Best of luck to you and I would certainly take a look at Father Oak's!

    Niamh

    Niamh
    February 02, 2008
    01:28 PM EST

    Nice to meet you I'm Usagi a Shaman and member of sit-a-spell I also responed to your post on the group forum. *Smiles Warmly* There is nothing wrong with you for feeling this way and caring about animals as much as you do. Truth be told I'm the same way I can't bring myself to kill an animal for sport or merely because others say I should. The only way I could kill an animal would be for food even then I would offer so many prayers for that animal to rest in peace and ask for it's forgiveness for me takeing it's life. And that's terrible that this guy is harrassing you like that. There's no sense in it. I'm not here to judge but most likely he's here for all the wrong reasons. Sadly you'll meet ignorant, selfish people like that. People like him are the reason why our people have such a hard time even talking to others about our way of life. I fully understand where you're comeing from matter of fact my entire family is that way. so don't be disheartend.

    Usagi
    March 16, 2008
    03:56 AM EST

    I just happend to find this post and I can't not comment.

    I get called those types of things daily, being a vegetarian and an animal rights activist. I don't think there is anything wrong with you, I think that you have strong morality, and the intelligence many lack.

    Don't let people knock you down.

    Blessed be.
    ~Sapphire

    Sapphire
    March 29, 2008
    04:30 PM EST

    Im sorry that you had an encounter with someone like that, you don't deserve the headache. People like that don't want to see that things around them feel and can have emotion just like them anymore. It really hurts when you meet someone like that because you feel bad for that person, you feel bad for any animal or person or any living thing that gets hurt cause of their state of mind, and the person is just a large hazard. Again, im sorry you had the discomfort for meeting someone with that kind of ignorence, nothing is wrong with you babe, dont ever think that.

    Wulf
    April 24, 2008
    10:42 PM EST

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